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spoons
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 Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: Why it is important to post all military inscriptions |
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I hope Ken Morrison won't mind me repeating here his post from the Colvend Parish Churchyard.
"Captain Charles Bie Candlish - the following is an extract from old-kirkcudbright.net/pages/scaur1.asp
"Captain Candlish went into the steam-coasting trade until war broke out, when he offered his services to his King
and country though much over the age, and he was sent to France to take the command of barges carrying ammunition.
There his health broke down and the gastric trouble contracted was the cause of his death at sea a year or two later."
Candlish and two other Captains - Robert Bie and Henry Cumming - are remembered on the Colvend War Memorial
but not by CWGC. "
In my opinion this is an excellent example of bravery and self-sacrifice that goes unmarked by the rules of CWGC. Although in this case he is listed on the local memorial, this story is now made available worldwide for anyone who cares to look.
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Adam Brown
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: |
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Well said Paul. The Merchant Navy sometimes gets a raw deal at the hands of the CWGC.
Leith Boys Brigade memorial remembers a Merchant Seaman Officer who died in Africa just days after the Armistice. He is not commemorated yet some soldiers who were discharged and died in 1921 are still commemorated.
We can do our little bit here to make sure they are not forgotten.
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JMB
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Adam Brown wrote: | Well said Paul. The Merchant Navy sometimes gets a raw deal at the hands of the CWGC.
Leith Boys Brigade memorial remembers a Merchant Seaman Officer who died in Africa just days after the Armistice. He is not commemorated yet some soldiers who were discharged and died in 1921 are still commemorated.
We can do our little bit here to make sure they are not forgotten.
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It was said at a conference on Lewis last year that a merchant seaman has to be killed as a direct result of enemy action to be classed as a war casualty though it does not always seem to have been rigidly applied.
The example given was the SS Mont-Blanc, the merchant seamen killed in the explosion were considered to have died in an accident and so not war dead whereas the RN sailors killed on nearby ships were classed as war dead because they were servicemen.
It can apply to someone taking to a lifeboat and dying later of exposure. |
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kinnethmont
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| Quote: | | The example given was the SS Mont-Blanc, the merchant seamen killed in the explosion were considered to have died in an accident and so not war dead whereas the RN sailors killed on nearby ships were classed as war dead because they were servicemen. |
This is right, they did die in an accident and so are not war dead. They were civilian seamen going about their work, with normal occupational risks. The SS Mont-Blanc seamen died due to an error made which caused a collision with another vessel.
Any RN men are war dead regardless of how they died, between the relevant dates.
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Keptie
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| Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:47 am Post subject: war graves |
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The 18 Sqn RAF Commanding Officer Major Guy R. Howard , DSO . 18Sqn RAF and Essex Regiment has a War Grave in Duisans British Cemetery , Etrun, France. On or about 22nd October 1918 , he and his Pilots were having a pre end of War party on the airfield when one of the pilots fired a varey flare into the air hitting Major Howard on the head . He died of his wounds in a CCS in France .
Listed as a casualty of war
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kinnethmont
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| Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:52 am Post subject: war graves |
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| Quote: | The 18 Sqn RAF Commanding Officer Major Guy R. Howard , DSO . 18Sqn RAF and Essex Regiment has a War Grave in Duisans British Cemetery , Etrun, France. On or about 22nd October 1918 , he and his Pilots were having a pre end of War party on the airfield when one of the pilots fired a varey flare into the air hitting Major Howard on the head . He died of his wounds in a CCS in France .
Listed as a casualty of war |
Pat
The man was a serving airman who died betwen the relevant dates and so is entitled to war grave status and CWGC commemoration. The cause and circumstances of his death have no relevance at all. We have gone over this one before. As you know, had he been shot deliberatly by the pilot, or thrown himself under a train the outcome would be the same as far as CWGC is concerned.
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Keptie
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| Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:14 pm Post subject: war graves |
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Jim , thanks for that and it was just to show that not all casualties (CWGC) ones were through enemy action as in this case the Sqn Commander killed by a flare . Crews of fishing boats sailing off Skye too are listed as CWGC casualties and a 2nd Lieutenant in the RAF in training as a pilot in 1918/1919 died when climbing Ben Nevis and he's a CWGC casualty as he was serving in the RAF ..
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