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kenmorrison
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BURNETT, JAMES.
Rank:Guardsman
Service No:2699454
Date of Death:06/12/1944
Age:36
Regiment/Service:Scots Guards
Grave Reference11. C. 6.
CemeteryARNHEM OOSTERBEEK WAR CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of James and Agnes Jane Burnett; husband of Margaret Burnett, of Eastriggs, Dumfriesshire.
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kenmorrison
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COUPLAND, WILLIAM.
Rank:Private
Service No:41834
Date of Death:29/04/1918
Age:24
Regiment/Service:Royal Irish Fusiliers
1st Bn.
Grave ReferenceVI. A. 10.
CemeteryGRAND-SERAUCOURT BRITISH CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Joseph and Mary Coupland, of Springfield, Gretna, Dumfriesshire. Born at Annan, Dumfriesshire.
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Medal card of Coupland, William
Army Service Corps T/4/05582(Incomplete) Driver
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kinnethmont
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| Quote: | | it does seem incongruous that Joseph is remembered so far from home while "locals" are not - but those were the "rules". |
Ken
Indeed. Although GB had a list of workers classed as RCO this did not include Munitions Workers. Like members of the Mercantile Marine and others on the RCO list, they were not commemorated if they died due to " normal occupational risks ". If you work in munitions, sometimes there are explosions. If a Zeppelin dropped a device and set off a factory explosion, different story.
None of the locals were forced to work at Gretna, Ardeer, etc. They could change their occupation and work elsewhere if they wanted, whereas Joseph Royal and his comrades could not and were there for the duration.
I know there has been cries for munitions workers ( usually local to the factory areas) to be commemorated, but even if the Royal Charter could be changed, where would it end? Why not commemorate factory workers working for Maconochie, WD & HO Wills, Vickers-Armstrong, etc. All were involved in war work of one kind or another.
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kenmorrison
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FISHER, LESLIE.
Rank:Serjeant
Service No:T/829159
Date of Death:16/08/1942
Age:32
Regiment/Service:Royal Army Service Corps
Grave Reference3. F. 2.
CemeteryBEIRUT WAR CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Frank and Jane Fisher; husband of Mary Fisher.
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kenmorrison
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MARTIN, JAMES.
Rank:Private
Service No:3600006
Date of Death:14/06/1940
Regiment/Service:Border Regiment
4th Bn.
Grave ReferenceRow B, Grave 10.
CemeteryINCHEVILLE COMMUNAL CEMETERY
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kenmorrison
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Looks like two brothers and their brother-in-law
McMURRAY, EDWARD.
Rank:Private
Service No:41513
Date of Death:20/10/1917
Age:26
Regiment/Service:Royal Scots
2nd Bn.
Grave ReferenceVI. E. 9A.
CemeteryWIMEREUX COMMUNAL CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Thomas and Rachel McMurray. of Todhills, Rockcliffe, Carlisle, Cumberland.
SDGW has resident in Dumfries.
McCARL, SAMUEL.
Rank:Private
Service No:18162
Date of Death:25/09/1915
Regiment/Service:Border Regiment
2nd Bn.
Panel ReferencePanel 68 and 69.
MemorialLOOS MEMORIAL
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McCARL, W.
Rank:Private
Service No:23358
Date of Death:27/08/1917
Age:22
Regiment/Service:King's Own Scottish Borderers
1st Bn.
Grave ReferenceXLVIII. E. 16.
CemeteryPOELCAPELLE BRITISH CEMETERY
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kenmorrison
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NEALE, SINCLAIR RAYMENT.
Rank:Trooper
Service No:14217820
Date of Death:14/03/1946
Age:23
Regiment/Service:Royal Armoured Corps
1st Derbyshire Yeomanry
Grave Reference6. M. 7.
CemeteryTEL EL KEBIR WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Rayment and Janet Neale.
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kenmorrison
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NICHOLSON, ERNEST.
Rank:Private
Service No:3133353
Date of Death:Between 01/10/1944 and 02/10/1944
Age:25
Regiment/Service:East Yorkshire Regiment
5th Bn.
Grave Reference7. B. 16.
CemeteryARNHEM OOSTERBEEK WAR CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of James and Janet Nicholson, of Gretna, Dumfriesshire.
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kenmorrison
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PHILLIPS, JOHN.
Rank:Private
Service No:16283
Date of Death:10/07/1915
Age:35
Regiment/Service:King's Own Scottish Borderers
2nd Bn.
Panel ReferencePanel 22.
MemorialYPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of Jane Phillips (now Cook), of Springfield, Gretna, Dumfries, and the late James Phillips.
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kenmorrison
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ROME, J.
Rank:Private
Service No:44304
Date of Death:30/03/1917
Regiment/Service:Machine Gun Corps (Infantry)
91st Coy.
Grave ReferenceV. F. 10.
CemeteryEUSTON ROAD CEMETERY, COLINCAMPS
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kenmorrison
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Father (WW2) and son (WW1)
STAFFORD, JOHN OWEN.
Rank:Civilian
Date of Death:07/04/1941
Age:71
Regiment/Service:Civilian War Dead
Reporting AuthorityDUMFRIES COUNTY, SCOTLAND
Additional Information:
M.A. Son of James Stafford, of Mouswald; husband of M. A. S. Stafford, of The Manse, Gretna Green. Died at Masonic Hall, Gretna.
STAFFORD, KENNETH JAMES.
Rank:Lieutenant
Date of Death:14/11/1918
Age:20
Regiment/Service:Royal Field Artillery
37th Bty. 27th Bde.
Awards:M C
Grave ReferenceS. V. K. 13.
CemeteryST. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN
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Son of the Rev. John 0. and Mrs. Stafford, of The Manse, Gretna, Dumfriesshire.
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kenmorrison
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TUDDENHAM, JAMES.
Rank:Private
Service No:13727
Date of Death:30/04/1918
Age:23
Regiment/Service:Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment)
1st/6th Bn.
Panel ReferencePanel 82 to 85 and 162A.
MemorialTYNE COT MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of James and Elizabeth Tuddenham, of Rockcliffe, Carlisle.
SDGW - born RIGG, Dumfriesshire. Resident in Carlisle.
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kinnethmont
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| Quote: | STAFFORD, JOHN OWEN.
Rank:Civilian
Date of Death:07/04/1941
Age:71
Regiment/Service:Civilian War Dead
Reporting AuthorityDUMFRIES COUNTY, SCOTLAND
Additional Information:
M.A. Son of James Stafford, of Mouswald; husband of M. A. S. Stafford, of The Manse, Gretna Green. Died at Masonic Hall, Gretna. |
Ken
This one caught my eye since there no details of him being a Minister of Religion reported by the local authority. There were 22 civilians killed due to war operations at the Masonic Hall, Gretna on 7th April 1941. Also killed was the Royal Marine below:
ROSS, WILLIAM
Rank: Colour Serjeant
Service No: PLY.19094
Date of Death: 07/04/1941
Age: 41
Regiment/Service: Royal Marines
Plymouth Div.
Grave Reference Sec. H.6. Class 4. Grave 368.
Cemetery INVERNESS (TOMNAHURICH) CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of William and Margaret Ross, of Inverness; husband of Olive Muriel Ross, of Dumfrie
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kenmorrison
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kinnethmont
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| Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:19 pm Post subject: Rev. John Owen Stafford |
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Ken
His record on CWGC will be updated and Rev. added to it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
In the case of civilians, CWGC took the details provided to them by the Reporting Authority and used them in the Rolls they were asked to maintain. CWGC had no involvement in verfying the accuracy of these details, responsibility for this being with the Reporting Authority where the death occurred.
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